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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock
Date: 27 Apr 1995 14:28:50 GMT
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In article <3nn6u2$[e-mail]>, Leslie Mikesell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Maybe you should work out a deal with this guy:
>
>(from the README file in kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen)
>---------------
>This directory contains the compressed distribution files for
>Kermit for Windows.  The files are as follows:
>
>    kmw080.zip - Kermit for Windows Version 0.80 (16 bit)
>    kmn080.zip - Kermit for Windows NT Version 0.80 (32 bit)
>
>You must have MS Windows NT to use kmn080.zip.  You must have MS Windows
>Version 3.1 or greater to use kmw080.zip.
>
>These programs are ditributed as "freeware".  You may freely use, copy,
>and distribute the programs.  However, you must distribute each of the
>above zip files in their entirety and without modification.
>
>Comments or questions should be sent via Internet to the author
>[e-mail].
>-----------------
>
>This works over the serial ports or winsock, and has most of the
>file transfer options.  It is limited to vt-102 terminal emulation
>and lacks scripting in this version.

As you mention there is no scripting, the terminal emulator is not just
limited to saying that it is a vt102 but it is not a correct vt102.
In addition, the kermit protocol implementation is not complete.
Plus, there is no keyboard remapping.  I could go on.

>Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions
>of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute
>kermit?

No this is not the reason for the lack of contributions.  The lack of
contributions is caused by a lack of time.  Nowadays, very few people
who are expert programmers are willing/able to donate the thousands
of programming hours necessary to implement a good user interface on
MS Windows, OS/2 PM, X Motif, ....

The amount of time that I have put into OS/2 C-Kermit in the last two
years is close to 1200 hours.  And this is on top of my full time job.
And I still don't have a GUI interface.  It just isn't that easy when
you want to have a consistent portable code base.

While Wayne Warthen has spent two years working on his Kermit program
for Windows, he admits that there are still years left of work for him
to do if he was to seriously want to donate it and release it as non-
Beta software.  And even then, it would be completely incompatible
with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit.

The appropriate approach is to port the C-Kermit code base to Windows and
provide it with an Event Driven interface and protocol engine.  However,
the only feasible way to do this is with threads.  So we wait for Windows 95.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191):
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